It’s seldom that a person experiences their vital signs reduced to almost nothing and live to talk about it. With almost three decades spacing the incidents, Olds Wal-Mart employee Jesse Fuller has done that twice.[...]
His memories of the [first] incident are understandably vague, but the Fuller’s last vacation together was when he was four years old.[...]
“There was this guy who got into a fight with his girlfriend,” Jesse says. “He stole a tow truck, and didn’t look where he was going when he pulled out of a gas station.” The angered man in the tow truck broadsided the Fullers, killing Jesse’s parents and sister.
Jesse slipped into a coma, that he drifted in and out for five months, including his fifth birthday.[...] But with the aid of his godparents, who eventually adopted him, for about five months following his release, Jesse learned to eat and walk again. [...]
The local man’s most recent survival came at the Didsbury Memorial Complex two weeks ago. He was at the swimming pool with his son, and decided to use one of the swing-ropes to launch himself into the pool.[...] His next memory came while stretched out on the pool deck.[...] Jesse was rushed to the Didsbury Hospital, before then bolting to a Calgary hospital via ambulance.
…since the collision, Jesse had been consistently reminded by Christians and non-Christians,”you must be here for a reason.” Jesse thought about this.
“These are things where you look back and realize that it’s a turning pointing your life. You know, that was something definite that I know God had to be involved in.
Really? You really think that God was involved? Maybe you were just really lucky, hmmm?
“I think it’s something important. Not that I’m anything special, I just hope people can grab something from my story.”
Yup. Take a deep breath BEFORE you let go of the rope. Lesson learned. Thank you.
Accidents happen. It’s really amazing the extent to which people will go to deny there is a God.
By: Jesse Fuller on July 22, 2008
at 10:09 am
it’s really easy. He does not exist.
By: crazybengal on July 22, 2008
at 10:17 am
Accidents do happen. It’s really amazing the extent to which people will go to convince themselves that there is a god.
By: Michele on July 22, 2008
at 10:39 am
lol!
By: crazybengal on July 22, 2008
at 12:18 pm
pwned!
By: crazybengal on July 22, 2008
at 12:19 pm
Science has only started to prove in this century and the last what Christians and Jews have known for centuries. Of all those who have set out to disprove Christianity, I have heard of none who have done it. Disbelief in God for convenience sake is really irresponsible. I suppose you have a sizable list of good reasons not to believe in God. If so, I’d love to hear them.
By: Jesse Fuller on July 22, 2008
at 3:18 pm
You’re confused.
You are arguing that something exists so the onus of proof is on you.
By: Michele on July 23, 2008
at 12:38 pm
What is science starting to prove, exactly?
By: crazybengal on July 23, 2008
at 3:22 pm
The link above might be a good one to start with. Also, the “Athiest philosopher” link at the bottom you may find interesting. According to this article, the statistics show that more scientists now believe in God than don’t.
By: Jesse Fuller on July 25, 2008
at 9:10 am
Oops… I assumed that if I put the link in the spot where it was asked for , it would show up. Pardon me. http://www.livescience.com/strangenews/050811_scientists_god.html
By: Jesse Fuller on July 25, 2008
at 9:13 am
scientists turn to god when they can’t explain something. That is repeated throughout history.
By: crazybengal on July 25, 2008
at 10:13 am
http://becausenooneasked.wordpress.com/2008/07/23/intelligent-design-is-the-philosophy-of-ignorance/
By: crazybengal on July 25, 2008
at 10:14 am
“more scientists now believe in God than don’t”
But can they prove it? I think not.
By: Michele on July 25, 2008
at 10:44 am
The only reason not to believe in God is that it is convenient.
By: Jesse Fuller on July 28, 2008
at 1:02 pm
It seems odd that the more educated a person who has no belief in God becomes, the greater the extent of denial required to remain an athiest.
By: Jesse Fuller on July 28, 2008
at 1:10 pm
What are you talking about?
I think that you have it all entirely backwards.
Let me edit that for you.
“The only reason to believe in god is that it is convenient.”
“The more educated a person is, the less denial is required to remain an atheist.”
Much better.
By: Michele on July 28, 2008
at 11:37 pm
Much more convenient, maybe, for athiests, hwever, not a lot of thought was put into that. There are dozens of problems that I have not yet heard a good exlanation for, one that really is backed up by science and history. Christianiy really does have both on it’s side. Sure there’s a long list of athiest thinkers throughout history, but all the “evidence” that there out there confirming the Athiest’s case is purely philosophy. If I am wrong on that, please correct me.
By: Jesse Fuller on July 30, 2008
at 8:26 am
Why are you here? To convince us that there is a god? You’re delusional if you think that’s going to happen.
Why don’t you explain this … why would a loving, omnipotent, omniscient god allow children to be abused and murdered?
Here’s another question. Why doesn’t god prove his existence in front of a large group of people? Preferably with a camera rolling. That would be much better than god communicating with one person when he’s alone and telling that person to spread the word.
By: Michele on July 30, 2008
at 8:57 am
Then faith would be absoltuely unnecessary. If you don’t beleive there’s a God that’s fine; I just haven’t really seen any intelligent defence of athiesm and it really ticks me off that someone has the gall to comment on the article about me in the Post with such arrogance.
The answer to your first question, God had a choice. He could either create us with or without free will. To create us without free will would liken us to robots or animals, and to say that we loved God or anyone, for that matter, would be meaningless. Unfortunately, having free will means that we can torture and kill each other (or any of the other unthinkably indecent things that people do to each other)
I don’t know what you would consider proof, God does not owe any of us proof of his existence, but there are many miracles that happen every day. There is scientific evidence that prayer does change things, there are people who experience healings from every type of disease imaginable, and the fact that the Bible is full of prophecies that have come true about things that are happening in world politics today is amazing. The fact that the Bible was written over 2500 years or so by dozens of different authors and contains no notable discrepancies is a miracle in itelf. I think that’s a good start to answer your questions. There is certainly much more to elaborate on, but I won’t unless you would like to discuss thi further.
By: Jesse Fuller on July 30, 2008
at 12:09 pm
I didn’t think there was any intelligible defence of athiesm.
By: Jesse Fuller on August 12, 2008
at 10:03 am
I don’t need to defend atheism.
What is it about atheism that so threatens your beliefs?
Here’s something to keep you busy:
http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/jim_meritt/bible-contradictions.html
By: Michele on August 12, 2008
at 11:23 am
The Post is a public paper. You chose to have article written about your adventure and chose to speak about god. Anybody who read the paper has the right to comment about the article.
By: crazybengal on August 12, 2008
at 12:46 pm
Atheism requires no defense.
By: crazybengal on August 12, 2008
at 12:47 pm
I guess not… Here’s a question… What have I got to lose if I’m wrong and what do you have to lose if you are? Nothing about Athiesm threatens my beleifs. Athiesm is a copout. The fact that you say you don’t need any defense for your belief means you probably don’t have one.
By: Jesse Fuller on August 13, 2008
at 9:53 am
So…you believe because you’re afraid. Afraid that if you don’t belive and you’re wrong, you are eternally damned (what a nice god).
By: crazybengal on August 13, 2008
at 5:37 pm
http://becausenooneasked.wordpress.com/2008/05/11/act-as-if/
By: Michele on August 13, 2008
at 5:41 pm
Actually no, although the prospect of a hell is somewhat frightening, if you want to think about it. I believe because it’s a lot more rational than believing in the universe’s ability to create itself… proteins to self assemble… an amoeba to turn into a fish and then a human… even if it takes millions of years… and ultimately for consciousness to develop…
Scientists agree that the universe began in a big bang, which I’m not at all disputing… but what about before the big bang? If you’re not in denial, you have to say that someone created the universe or the univerrse created itself, in which case we should be worshipping IT. Or you could believe that aliens created us, I suppose, but that only pushes the issue of our true origin back in time.
You know what, you’re absolutely right about the last argument. It doesn’t prove that there is a God, but it does have a certain merit. If we all do what we feel in our own heart is right, then who are we to say that the police shootings in Mayerthorpe, the beheadings in Iraq, the recent bus tragedy, or even Nazi Germany was wrong? Somebody thought they were all right, or at least justified. I’m sure you’ll answer by saying something to the effect of those events not serving the common good. Why should any one of us be subservient to “the common good?” What makes any given moral code right? After all, Nazism was derived directly from evolution, or if not quite directly, evolution sure paved the way, didn’t it?
By: Jesse Fuller on August 15, 2008
at 9:36 am
paging Mr. Godwin.
By: crazybengal on August 15, 2008
at 2:43 pm
How do you then recocile the fact that the Bible refers to a round earth five hundred years before anyone even considered the possibility of a round earth?
By: Jesse Fuller on August 18, 2008
at 10:50 am
Here’s a link, I’m not making this up.
By: Jesse Fuller on August 18, 2008
at 10:57 am
Oops. Here’s the link.
http://www.geocentricity.com/astronomy_of_bible/flatearth/doesbibleteach.html
By: Jesse Fuller on August 18, 2008
at 10:59 am
The Bible says the earth is flat
http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/febible.htm
By: crazybengal on August 18, 2008
at 9:54 pm
This is funny… After reading for a bit, There is a section called “weaker arguments.” After I just read the weakest arguments I’ve ever heard. Why would the sky be a dome if the earth was flat? If “Chuwg” means “circle” and it is talking about the earth, why would this in any way
“prove” that the earth was flat. In days gone by, I’ll admit that people have tried to use the Bible to confirm what they already believed (ie the earth is flat), but to say that what this guy has written is confirmation that the Bible says that the earth is flat is just a little bit ridiculous. The people who wrote down the words of the Bible may have thought the earth was flat, because it wasn’t really an issue at the time, but based on what I read, there is no reason to believe that the Bible says the earth is flat. I really don’t think you even looked at the link that I sent you, and possibly not even thought very hard aout the link you sent me. Maybe you should reread the section below and explain to me what exactly, to you, or to the author believe indicates a flat earth. The Scriptures that were given in tha article certainly don’t.
By: Jesse Fuller on August 19, 2008
at 11:15 am
If the earth were flat, wouldn’t the sky have to be a dome?
By: Michele on August 19, 2008
at 11:41 am
I know! I know!
You could picture earth like a snowglobe that God can shake up for entertainment when he’s bored.
By: Michele on August 19, 2008
at 12:22 pm
The word “immovable” must have an object. It does not mean that the earth is the center of the universe or anything of the sort. When we say a mountain is “immovable” athough human force (me pushing it with my hands), it might be by pushing against it with brute force, such as with a bulldozer. But clearly that mountain moves with respect to space as the earth rotates and moves around its orbit. I’m sure you would prefer to think of your own house as immovable. With respect to the earth and for your purposes it is. But a strong wind might still rattle your windows, or a hurricane could move it. How do you know immovable doesn’t mean “from it’s orbit”? So yes, if you want to start interpreting individual words in the Bible to mean something that they do not in fact mean, I guess from your perspective, you could interpret them as errors. I suppose that’s why they say you can “prove” anything that you want to prove.
By: Jesse Fuller on August 19, 2008
at 3:17 pm
You have grown tiresome.
By: Michele on August 19, 2008
at 4:47 pm
Yeah – I admit it…I’m not going to put much effort into this. The people who made up the bible did not know that the earth was a sphere.
A circle is not a sphere. And the universe was once thought to be finite and the sky was a dome.
By: crazybengal on August 19, 2008
at 5:47 pm
http://www.goatstar.org/the-bibles-flat-earthsolid-sky-dome-universe/
By: crazybengal on August 19, 2008
at 5:48 pm