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“The only important difference between Nazism, Fascism, Communism, Islamism and Liberalism is the spelling…”

May 6, 2008

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A picture is worth a thousand words…

h/t storemanger at LGF links

 

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  1. May 7, 2008 7:10 am

    Sorry what?

    How is Liberalism the same as Fascism? This doesn’t make any sense at all. Liberalism is very much the opposite of Fascism.

    Are you aware Communists constituted the most dedicated anti-Fascist resistance in all European countries during WW 2?

    Not even Nazism is the same as Fascism. In Fascism, everything is subordinated to the state. In Nazism, everything -even the state- is subordinated to the race. That’s an important difference because it means that Fascism can be racist, but doesn’t need to be.

    As for Islam, there are pro-Nazi Muslims as well as non-Nazi and anti-Nazi Muslims. The same applies to Christians.

    Sorry, but you really seem to have no idea what you’re talking about.

    • May 17, 2014 8:47 am

      “We are socialists, we are enemies of today’s capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions.”

      Sounds like the typical Occupy Wall Street would-be liberal die-hard doesn’t it?? :D

      But, nope. That quote is from none other than Adolf Hitler, from a speech on May 1, 1927. It’s referenced in the biography written by Toland in 1976, on page 306.

      Hitler was a left-wing “liberal.” Forced Social Security by gunpoint. Lenin showed him the way. And Stalin perfected both of their “liberalism” terrorism to the end.

      History sucks when looked at objectively, doesn’t it?

  2. crazybengal permalink*
    May 7, 2008 7:15 am

    lol – READ the article linked in the post. And read about the Canadian Human Rights Coucil – established by liberals – at Ezralevant.com. All those -isms have the same outcome ultimately. Christians are not the same at all.

  3. crazybengal permalink*
    May 7, 2008 7:19 am

    Also – reread the title – the only IMPORTANT difference is the spelling…there are other differences. lol.

  4. May 7, 2008 9:16 am

    I have read the title, which is why I explicitly termed the difference between Fascism and Nazism an “important” one. See, I’m not one to defend Fascism, but I would think there’s a big difference between the theory of an authoritarian corporatist state (Fascism) and a racist theory whose prime goal is genocide (Nazism). If you think that genocidal racism is not an important factor, there’s something wrong with you.

    Millions of Communists have lost their lives in the struggle against Nazism and Fascism. Enter crazybengal, who simply sneers at the victims and declares that there was no important difference between the Nazis and them. How about internationalism versus nationalism? How about class struggle versus race war? These are massive, crucial differences, and they aren’t in the spelling.

    The differences between Liberalism and any of the above are so obvious I won’t even waste a lot of commenting on this. Let me guess, you’re a conservative to whom everything he doesn’t like is simply “the same”?

    And yes, Christians are exactly the same. Hitler declared in Mein Kampf that “I am a Catholic and always will be”, and millions of good German Christians followed his model of “positive” (=Aryan) Christianity. There are lengthy passages in Mein Kampf in which Hitler refers to the Bible. The Ku Klux Klan is a Christian group. Browse any neo-Nazi internet forum such as Stormfront and check how many Christians you’ll find there. Conversely, I personally know Muslims who are activists in anti-fascist groups.

    I had a lengthy discussion with a Muslim on here who denied there is any such thing as Muslim Nazis. Of course there are, there always have been. Just like there have always been Christian Nazis and Christian Fascists – plenty of them.

    Sorry again, but your claims are so ridiculous In consider it a joke I’m even commenting on them.

  5. crazybengal permalink*
    May 7, 2008 12:21 pm

    Oh Grasshopper…

  6. crazybengal permalink*
    May 7, 2008 12:22 pm

    “Christianity is an invention of sick brains,” Adolf Hitler, 13 December 1941.

  7. crazybengal permalink*
    May 7, 2008 12:24 pm

    Millions of humans have lost their lives in the struggle against Communism.

  8. crazybengal permalink*
    May 7, 2008 12:24 pm

    You still obviously havn’t read the link

  9. May 7, 2008 1:52 pm

    Millions of humans have lost their lives because of persecutions by the Christian churches, not to mention crusades.

    Millions of humans have lost their lives because of US imperialism after WW2.

    “My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God’s truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter.”
    (Adolf Hitler 1922)

    There are enough quotes to establish Hitler’s Christianity, and there are enough quotes to establish his alleged anti-Christian sentiments. What strikes me is that most of the quotes supporting the latter are taken from secondary sources such as ‘Hitler’s Table Talk’ while primary sources such as Mein Kampf are clear enough on Hitler’s Christian beliefs.

    But let’s assume for the sake of argument that Hitler only used Christian rhetoric to woo the German people because they were predominately Christian. In this case, we’ve still got a nation of Christians faithfully following Hitler. How that is supposed to make Christians “not like that at all”, I have no idea. Why don’t you post one of the numerous photographs of German cardinals doing the Nazi salute right next to the picture of Nazi Muslims, just for the sake of fairness?

    Ever heard of the Christian Identity movement? Google it and pick any source. How about the KKK? And again: go to Stormfront and find out how many Christian neo-Nazis there are today. I’m aware they were Muslim Nazis in WW2 and I’m aware there are Muslim Nazis today, but I’m afraid if we compared their numbers to those of Christian Nazis then and now, they would pale in comparison.

    Most religions and political systems will have blood on their hands. But I would would never dream of claiming that Christianity is “the same” as Nazism just because I happen to dislike both. Islam, Communism, Fascism, and Liberalism are wildly different things. There is absolutely no logic behind your absurd claim, let alone political analysis.

    As for your link, no I haven’t read it yet, but I will as soon as I can. I expect a vile piece of neo-con propaganda that seeks to equate all Muslims with Nazism on the basis of a few well-selected examples while ignoring all historical and present-day Christian-Nazi and Capitalist-Nazi links.

    I’m not a Muslim, by the way, but I wish your claims were based on research rather than bias.

  10. crazybengal permalink*
    May 7, 2008 2:47 pm

    lol – emotional arn’t you. Agin. You still havn’t even read the link lol.

    Countries with a democracy based on judeochristian ethics vs any fascist, communist, nazi, or Islmaic nation. Take your pick.

    I’m not Christian by the way.

    Neo-con lol!

  11. May 7, 2008 3:32 pm

    Nazi Germany was a predominately Christian country. You could argue that it was not really based on Christian ethics, but then I’ll claim Stalin’s USSR was not really based on Communist ethics. That isn’t new,

    I know you’re atheist rather than Christian, but you’ve still claimed that Christians aren’t “like that at all” and you claimed that Muslims were somehow more prone to Nazism than Christians. We both know that isn’t true.

    I’ve given you numerous examples of Christians being “like that”, none of which you have responded to in any other way than lol-ing like a 14 year old girl on myspace – and you’re calling me emotional?

  12. crazybengal permalink*
    May 7, 2008 4:27 pm

    lol Bubblegum Screw

  13. crazybengal permalink*
    May 7, 2008 4:31 pm

    Perhaps I wasn’t clear – Christians are CLEARLY capable of being Nazis, Communists, Fascists – no question there. I am not disagreeing with you. Currently, however, it is the islamists who are using religion in a way that Christians do not – there are no Christians that perform suicide bombing in the name of God. Currently, islam is the Fascist enemy.

  14. crazybengal permalink*
    May 7, 2008 4:33 pm

    My problem is that you attacked Moi without having read the articel I linked to – The title of my post is a quote from said article and the quote is obviously a sensationalist statement. Read the whole article.

  15. crazybengal permalink*
    May 7, 2008 4:34 pm

    article

  16. May 8, 2008 1:35 am

    Fair enough. I attacked you straight away because that statement is pretty much the most absurd thing I’ve heard in my life, so here’s hope the article will be a lot less simple-minded.

  17. crazybengal permalink*
    May 8, 2008 7:07 am

    You STILL havn’t read it?

  18. May 8, 2008 9:56 am

    I have read it now. Are you seriously claiming that article somehow proves that there are no significant differences between Communism, Fascism, Nazism, Islam and Liberalism? You must be joking.

    All I can see is an piece of anti-Muslim agitation that wouldn’t even get a ‘pass’ in the first semester at University. The first thing that strikes me is how there’s a complete lack of sources for whatever claims the author is trying to make. He uses quotation marks quite a lot, but unfortunately he never lets us know where the quote is from. I could stop right here and simply discard the whole ‘article’ as a lousy piece of polemics/propaganda without any references and sources.

    There’s only one instance in which a source is given at all (Albert Speer: Inside The Third Reich), albeit without informing us on what page we can find the original quote. Good thing I’ve just read that book, then: Hitler continued his rant stating that Arabs were racially inferior and would eventually be replaced by Germanic peoples. For some reason Cherson (the author of the piece you’re linking to) left that out.

    Cherson states in his ‘article’ that “Islam as well as Nazism is based on the idea of superiority, only in Nazism it was Race superiority-and in Islam this superiority has the religious character.”

    Which, of course, is a massive difference. Race and faith are two completely different categories with nothing in common, not to mention the fact that you cannot choose your race.

    I could as well state that according to the Jewish religion, Jews are the Chosen People and then conclude that Judaism and Nazism are basically the same thing as they are both based on a sense of superiority. That would be as ridiculous as Cherson’s reasoning.

    This opening statement is but one example of Cherson’s slapdash ‘logic’, and it really makes it impossible for me to take anything that follows seriously.

    Most importantly, though, the article doesn’t support its headline in any way, which I seem to remember was the topic of our discussion. Cherson bangs on about the Islam being evil and therefore the same as Nazism, and in the end he simply concludes that “the only important difference between Nazism, Fascism, Communism, Islamism and Liberalism is the spelling”… without even having mentioned Communism or Liberalism in the article, let alone Fascism as opposed to Nazism.

    So what now? I’ve read that amateurish piece you were pointing to so persistently. It didn’t answer a single question I asked you. It didn’t contain any serious political analysis. It didn’t state any sources. It didn’t even bother to back up its headline.
    You seem like a reasonably intelligent fellow, so I’m surprised you would point me towards a piece like that and expect me to take it seriously.

    Instead of pointing me towards further badly researched agitation pieces taken from blogs such as Faith & Freedom (oh dear), perhaps you could explain in your own words how there are no important differences between Communism, Fascism, Liberalism, Nazism and Islam?

    Many leftists have an annoying habit of calling everyone whose views they disagree with a “Nazi” or a “Fascist”. More recently, though, I think conservatives like you have topped the leftists in that respect. Please try to back up your claims in some way – don’t just compare every single thing in the world that doesn’t suit you to Nazism.

  19. crazybengal permalink*
    May 8, 2008 10:29 am

    lol. I didn’t “claim” anything. I just linked to the article. It is up to the reader to take what they will from it. Islamists and parts of the Arab world idolize Hitler and seek to emulate Nazi Germany. “The Jews are the great enemy.” Today and in the past.

    “Are you seriously claiming that article somehow proves that there are no significant differences between Communism, Fascism, Nazism, Islam and Liberalism” – no, I am not – the statement IS a joke – tongue in cheek…don’t you see that? But the end result of Communism, Fascism, nazism and Islamism is the same…an oppressed, fearful and hateful society – and liberalism is the path that leads to communism, marxism and fascism. The whole point of linking to that article was for the photos. Seriously. Take a pill…or maybe not.

  20. May 8, 2008 11:04 am

    First you claim that it’s all just a joke, but then…

    “Liberalism leads to Communism, Marxism, and Fascism?” Hahaha! Dude, you’re outdoing yourself. Liberalism is the polar opposite of Fascism. And there’s no love lost between Commies and Liberals either.

    You evidently have no clue of politics whatsoever, so I wish you a nice life and say goodbye.

  21. crazybengal permalink*
    May 8, 2008 11:19 am

    Tata!

  22. crazybengal permalink*
    May 8, 2008 11:37 am

    Not everyone believes that tehre is no connection between liberalism and fascism.

    http://www.townhall.com/Columnists/DanielPipes/2008/01/08/fascisms_legacy_liberalism

    But it is all opinion

  23. July 18, 2008 11:09 am

    In a way or another,youre generalizing 1.3 billion people around the world based on actions of a minority in this religion that, by the way,preaches peace and tolerance,but distorced by this fanatics who just want their personal achieviment(their virgins in heaven).Please research this wonderfull religion and culture and then take your own conclusions about it.I’m brazilian and i live beside a mosque in São Paulo most of my best friends are muslims and i’m better qualified to tlak about this religion than probably you’ll never will(or probably hopefully will) Good luck on your resource!

  24. Michele permalink*
    July 18, 2008 11:34 am

    Oh really? How do you know how qualified we are to discuss Islam? “Some of my best friends are Muslim” doesn’t make you more qualified.

    Muslims who follow the Quran and the Hadiths without consideration of historical context and without any adaptation for our culture are dangerous extremists. Sharia Law is not tolerant or peaceful.

    Maybe you should read a bit more instead of just chatting with your nice friends.

  25. crazybengal permalink*
    July 18, 2008 11:35 am

    http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

  26. Austin permalink
    July 19, 2008 1:20 am

    Fascism, Nazism, Communism, and (Fanatic) Islam are all the same in the sense that they all promote a utopian future state.

    All the above utopian dream states share the same similarities:

    1. This utopian state will usher in a time of for humanity that will eclipse anything that has existed before, and make this world a “perfect place”.

    2. The followers of the above all prescribe that the key to the creation of this Utopia is universal acceptance. The only way to bring about this utopia is the destruction of all dissention. Interesting enough this is also similar to the “big wheel” form of Buddhism where no one can fully enter Nirvana until all of humanity accepts the teaching of Buda. At that magical (please note the sarcasm) moment all the imperfections of the human condition will be washed away. All four pursue their own “final solution”.
    Here is an article by an ex-Islamic militant that supports my above statement in regards to Fanatic Islam:
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2007/jul/01/comment.religion1

    3. The Us versus Them mentality, where only the enlightened (whether it is based on political, racial, or religious grounds) have a right to be a part of society, and everyone else is damned.

    4. Total unquestionable power must be given to the select few that lead the movement.

    How does Liberalism fare with the above attributes?:
    1. Liberalism does say that it has the key to making the world a better place, but 99.9999% of time is not so foolish to think that it can create heaven on earth.

    2. Liberalism tends to be tolerant of other’s views, at the very least it is more tolerant than Fascism, Nazism, and Fanatical Islam. {I agree the recent trend of Liberals branding anyone they do not agree with as being Nazis or a Hitler is stupid in the extreme.}

    3. Liberalism never goes into the saved and damned selection process.

    4. Most liberals do agree with “Absolute power corrupts absolutely”.

    The world is not a perfect place. Liberalism understands this, and works with this reality. Fascism, Nazism, and Fanatical Islam ignore this reality in their foolish attempt to create their own particular brand of utopia.

  27. Clive permalink
    August 21, 2008 5:25 am

    all da ppl here r so jobless! y dn u ppl go n get a lyf! instedd of discussin dis bulshit!

  28. Clive permalink
    August 21, 2008 5:29 am

    im a christian i got frenz n relatives frm all religions! i got muslim hindu budhists jainists and sikh ppl az ma colleagues and frenz! we are all humanz and we came on this planet to be gud. ppl shudn b fightn over crap lyk dis!

  29. November 11, 2008 2:51 pm

    I’m not defending muslims, but the women holding that sign do not relate to hitler in the facist sense. Hitler hated muslims almost as much as jews. They’re just holding that sign to make a point that they hail hitler for killing 6mil jews. And the fact that a group of muslims is making the hand jesture signaling ‘hail hitler’ doesn’t mean anything. Muslims are not facists, they’re just uneducated retards, that do whatever the government tells them to.

  30. crazybengal permalink*
    November 11, 2008 7:39 pm

    yeah. Right.

  31. Darrell permalink
    January 21, 2009 4:02 pm

    It’s embarrassing, isn’t it, when you’re swinging your ignorance around like a sledge, and you accidentally hit someone who knows what they’re talking about, and then they make a fool of you in public? That actually happened to me a lot when I was a teenager. Eventually I learned, though.

  32. chris permalink
    January 21, 2009 8:54 pm

    come on mates.

    Don’t be so sure that communism is so bad. if you just study Marx and then Lenin then you will find that those people were trying to awake workers and actually poor people to stand up and fight for what it belongs to them. Look around you. everything that exists is not from god or whatever. its because someone made it…

    And please stop talking about Nazis and Fascism. It makes me cry for all those dead people.

    Just talk about Obama and his new way of managing a fascism sleeping nation

  33. chris permalink
    January 21, 2009 9:02 pm

    i didnt mention that _crazybengal_ has no idea of what he/she talking about.
    anyway, thats why the world turned upside down. Anyway, keep walking

  34. Flu-Bird permalink
    March 1, 2009 4:29 pm

    And they all are big time supporters of GUN CONTROL and gun confiscation after all it worked well for the nazis and communists and liberals want gun control becuase they love crinimals

  35. June 23, 2009 11:56 am

    Yep. Any form of tyranny must hate its citizens use of the gun because in their efforts to make things “right”, it is necessary to silence their opposition by any means. And if your opposition has a means of defending themselves, they also have a way of debunking you.

    Tyranny has it free people cause all the problems, because it is the free person who does the unthinkable crime or whatnot and it is the free person who won’t go far enough for you, being . In this case, they prey upon Islam, which given its fierceness is easy to manipulate to achieve their goal.

    Also, I would define our soft tyranny movement, here in the US, as Statism. This, if you read Liberty and Tyranny by Mark R. Levin, is exactly how to describe Obama’s intention.

  36. LOL permalink
    March 26, 2010 7:01 am

    lol…. they aren’t even white….what the hell are they doing

  37. johnforchrist permalink
    August 16, 2010 8:39 am

    please dont be mistaken but WHOEVER who picks up a sword against his enemies is NOT a christian because the main princeple of Christ is this:

    Matthew 5:44 (King James Version)

    44But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

  38. Michele permalink*
    August 16, 2010 8:46 am

    Are you serious? If you pick up a sword to defend yourself and your family then you are not a Christian? That’s absurd.

  39. Daniel permalink
    November 21, 2010 6:46 pm

    Germany was not a Christian nation, it was Catholic. There is a difference. Christians love the Jews, Catholics couldn’t care less. The Pope is head of catholism, Jesus Christ is the head of Christianity. The KKK was not a true Christian group, it was catholic and supremist. The crusades were not by Christians but by roman catholics who claimed to be Christian but in truth were not. Hitler was a catholic and hated the Jews. Christians love Jews and pray for Israel.

  40. Ale permalink
    April 27, 2011 4:31 pm

    Germany is, was at hitler’s time, and has been since the 1500s a half-catholic half-Protestant country. And in the 1930s and 40s the catholic church had horrible relations with hitler and condemned its antisemitism, cult to the personality, extreme nationalism, expansionism, etc, etc
    Its also true some catholic bishops supported the nazi regime, but their fellow protestants who did this were far more common
    Pope Pius XII was himself one if the biggest enemy of nazism

  41. Teekay permalink
    April 17, 2012 10:43 pm

    you people are all a bunch of dumb b#st#rds. How about talking about the here and now…how about talking REALITY. You reference books or statements made by dead people or theories for your arguments. Look at the real history of Communism, socialism, Nazism. It doesn’t work…period. It doesn’t work and one more time for the pseudo intellectuals, it doesn’t work. Nobody can site one country were the communist theory has worked, not one. By the way, to the person who said Nazism is on the opposite scale as communism, bullsh#t. You socialist/democrats OWN Nazism. To the people who pretend to care about “the workers” whinst praising the wonders of communism, that’s bullsh#t also. That’s all made up, at least in America by democrat politicians for their votes…their absolute lust for power at any cost. There isn’t one rich hypocrite left wing politician that would want a blue collar worker near his or her home unless it was to do manual work on it and then they wouldn’t use a union worker, they’d find an illegal because it’s cheaper. One of the big problems with communism, socialism etc is that there is always that group of self anointed people that think they are and smarter than you who are going to run things(if your in America does this sound like anybody you know…Oba, oh never mind). As for the stupid argument about who’s worse Catholics, Christians at large, Islamist etc. The only people KILLING people in the world RIGHT NOW in the name of religion are Islamist. To the person who made some comment about workers and the poor “getting theirs” or something to that effect, please explain what is theirs? What exactly is owed to them especially the people who choose to be non contributors in society? nuff said I must go to bed now because i’m one of the blue collar workers that communist/liberals pretend to care about but don’t really. Peace

  42. March 22, 2014 12:03 am

    Communism and Nazism- The Great Similarities http://iakovosalhadeff.hubpages.com/hub/Communism-Nazism-Two-of-a-kind

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